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		<title>By: leowin1948</title>
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		<dc:creator>leowin1948</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Sep 2009 20:53:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is  no alternative to money.Communisam based on value theory of labour failed to eleminate money.Even if the entirewealth of world is distributed among all equally on a date,since abilities vary,skill vary ,after sometime you will have somebody more rich than others.Fair exchange theory also fails because there is no common parameters to determine what isFAIR.The majority is not aware of their rights and as such they remain poor.Only solution to improve majority seems to be educating them regarding rights,imparting skills and guiding them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is  no alternative to money.Communisam based on value theory of labour failed to eleminate money.Even if the entirewealth of world is distributed among all equally on a date,since abilities vary,skill vary ,after sometime you will have somebody more rich than others.Fair exchange theory also fails because there is no common parameters to determine what isFAIR.The majority is not aware of their rights and as such they remain poor.Only solution to improve majority seems to be educating them regarding rights,imparting skills and guiding them.</p>
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		<title>By: JC</title>
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		<dc:creator>JC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Sep 2009 17:15:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How about the life style of the American Indians centuries ago?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How about the life style of the American Indians centuries ago?</p>
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		<title>By: Veritas</title>
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		<dc:creator>Veritas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Sep 2009 06:13:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t see why finding a replacement to money would improve the lot of the majority. I think that notes and coins will eventually disappear.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t see why finding a replacement to money would improve the lot of the majority. I think that notes and coins will eventually disappear.</p>
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		<title>By: shawLl</title>
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		<dc:creator>shawLl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Sep 2009 20:06:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>begging bowl</description>
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		<title>By: justice_beauty</title>
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		<dc:creator>justice_beauty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Sep 2009 21:59:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Have a look at happiness studies (Layard). He argues that the increase in wealth does not lead to increases in happiness, it is the comparative wellbeing that counts. Take the case of Sweden, their people rank the happiest in the world happiness index. 
So, that casts some hope for building  theory that the humans are not just rational economic agents as Adam Smith said and money is not the resulting method of exchange, since it does not necesarily make people happier. All people need is to feel superior, apparently.   I agree its unrealistic, but hopefully it will illicit the groundwork for that proposition?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Have a look at happiness studies (Layard). He argues that the increase in wealth does not lead to increases in happiness, it is the comparative wellbeing that counts. Take the case of Sweden, their people rank the happiest in the world happiness index.<br />
So, that casts some hope for building  theory that the humans are not just rational economic agents as Adam Smith said and money is not the resulting method of exchange, since it does not necesarily make people happier. All people need is to feel superior, apparently.   I agree its unrealistic, but hopefully it will illicit the groundwork for that proposition?</p>
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		<title>By: robert p</title>
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		<dc:creator>robert p</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Sep 2009 09:38:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>its called socialismn and if that does not work we should round up all the fat cat lazy b;s in the world and put them on a desert island for a couple of years to let them fend for themselves.. after all is this not what they do to the starving children of the world(leave them in a desert with no food , no clothes, no education, no hope no water and no chance of reaching their 5th birthday,, while they eat their fancy dinners and drink their champagne congratulating themselves on their latest couple of hundred dollars they have just made???
shame on them........................ yes you</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>its called socialismn and if that does not work we should round up all the fat cat lazy b;s in the world and put them on a desert island for a couple of years to let them fend for themselves.. after all is this not what they do to the starving children of the world(leave them in a desert with no food , no clothes, no education, no hope no water and no chance of reaching their 5th birthday,, while they eat their fancy dinners and drink their champagne congratulating themselves on their latest couple of hundred dollars they have just made???<br />
shame on them&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230; yes you</p>
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		<title>By: bugaboo</title>
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		<dc:creator>bugaboo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Sep 2009 01:39:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You could go on the ideology that if you need something, trade something else you&#039;ve got for it.

I want a portable media player with usb and avi connection. I&#039;ll trade you a dirty pair of knickers and a playstation one console if you can get me one.

Is that a fair swap?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You could go on the ideology that if you need something, trade something else you&#8217;ve got for it.</p>
<p>I want a portable media player with usb and avi connection. I&#8217;ll trade you a dirty pair of knickers and a playstation one console if you can get me one.</p>
<p>Is that a fair swap?</p>
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		<title>By: ekonomix</title>
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		<dc:creator>ekonomix</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Sep 2009 14:23:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is nothing inherently wrong with the use of money; money isn&#039;t what oppresses the majority.

Money is just a medium, rather than exchanging my services for a loaf of bread plus a slide of cheese, I can exchange them for money and then may be use the money for a piece of cake, instead of looking for someone willing to exchange cake for bread and cheese.

The key to your solution is found in your question political will-power.

The reason why African farmers are unable to get close to what you pay for a cob of corn at the supermarket for their corn is trade barriers due to politics. It has nothing to do with money, the developed countries simply put barriers to trade, in fact maintaining these differences, oppressing the majority.

Political will power would also be required to allow companies to move effortlessly across borders to bring wealth to areas with less wealth today. Today developed country workers are paid much more to do the same job that someone in another country could do as well but for less. In fact too many resources are being given to the developed country worker; that keeps the majority of other workers down. (I speak from experience, having parts of my role outsourced).

Extra-ordinary political will-power would be required to flatten barriers to immigration. Once people can move across national borders, then the wages paid for the same job should be almost the same across the world. With free movement of goods and services and capital highlighted above, then the prices of goods would be similar.

We&#039;d end up in a world where everyone doing the same type of job would get the same wages.

Furthermore, the disparity in wages should drop. The CEOs in the US for example get much more than CEOs in Europe and even more than CEOs in Asia. Today we see outsourcing for low to middle paying jobs, when will we see that for top-paying jobs too? Never, no CEO will decide himself out of a job. But as people can move easier and information flows better, the most excessively paid CEOs will see their excesses curbed.

Overall, if you are in a developed country, wages will fall with top wages falling by much more, narrowing the gap between the majority and minority. Furthermore, as prices fall too, then the standards of living of the majority should not be affected too much: earn less, but pay less for what you use, so you can afford the same things. If you are in a poorer country then, wages will increase.

There will always be barriers so this integration will not be perfect. Barriers such a culture, preferences... But eradication of the artificial barriers to movements of goods, services, capital, and people require will-power but would improve the lot of the majority.

Then we will really have a global community.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is nothing inherently wrong with the use of money; money isn&#8217;t what oppresses the majority.</p>
<p>Money is just a medium, rather than exchanging my services for a loaf of bread plus a slide of cheese, I can exchange them for money and then may be use the money for a piece of cake, instead of looking for someone willing to exchange cake for bread and cheese.</p>
<p>The key to your solution is found in your question political will-power.</p>
<p>The reason why African farmers are unable to get close to what you pay for a cob of corn at the supermarket for their corn is trade barriers due to politics. It has nothing to do with money, the developed countries simply put barriers to trade, in fact maintaining these differences, oppressing the majority.</p>
<p>Political will power would also be required to allow companies to move effortlessly across borders to bring wealth to areas with less wealth today. Today developed country workers are paid much more to do the same job that someone in another country could do as well but for less. In fact too many resources are being given to the developed country worker; that keeps the majority of other workers down. (I speak from experience, having parts of my role outsourced).</p>
<p>Extra-ordinary political will-power would be required to flatten barriers to immigration. Once people can move across national borders, then the wages paid for the same job should be almost the same across the world. With free movement of goods and services and capital highlighted above, then the prices of goods would be similar.</p>
<p>We&#8217;d end up in a world where everyone doing the same type of job would get the same wages.</p>
<p>Furthermore, the disparity in wages should drop. The CEOs in the US for example get much more than CEOs in Europe and even more than CEOs in Asia. Today we see outsourcing for low to middle paying jobs, when will we see that for top-paying jobs too? Never, no CEO will decide himself out of a job. But as people can move easier and information flows better, the most excessively paid CEOs will see their excesses curbed.</p>
<p>Overall, if you are in a developed country, wages will fall with top wages falling by much more, narrowing the gap between the majority and minority. Furthermore, as prices fall too, then the standards of living of the majority should not be affected too much: earn less, but pay less for what you use, so you can afford the same things. If you are in a poorer country then, wages will increase.</p>
<p>There will always be barriers so this integration will not be perfect. Barriers such a culture, preferences&#8230; But eradication of the artificial barriers to movements of goods, services, capital, and people require will-power but would improve the lot of the majority.</p>
<p>Then we will really have a global community.</p>
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		<title>By: NC</title>
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		<dc:creator>NC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Sep 2009 09:05:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Money was never a way to improve the lot of the majority.  Productivity was.  If a society as a whole can produce more, it can consume more.  There is, of course, that pesky distribution issue; if the society as a whole consumes more, it may not mean that everyone gets to consume more.  So if you want to improve the lot of the majority, you need to worry about productivity and income distribution.

In one of his short stories, Robert Sheckley describes a society where people don&#039;t need or have to work, because most of the work is done by machines and everyone can get more or less everything they need for free.  Businesses operate only because elected officials and office candidates pay them for promoting them to customers who vote.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Money was never a way to improve the lot of the majority.  Productivity was.  If a society as a whole can produce more, it can consume more.  There is, of course, that pesky distribution issue; if the society as a whole consumes more, it may not mean that everyone gets to consume more.  So if you want to improve the lot of the majority, you need to worry about productivity and income distribution.</p>
<p>In one of his short stories, Robert Sheckley describes a society where people don&#8217;t need or have to work, because most of the work is done by machines and everyone can get more or less everything they need for free.  Businesses operate only because elected officials and office candidates pay them for promoting them to customers who vote.</p>
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		<title>By: alwyn</title>
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		<dc:creator>alwyn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Sep 2009 08:10:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think society could come along way if we&#039;d do away with the symbolism of money. Everyone knows that crude oil is really what society is based on these days, and gold deposits provide a measure of control. Therefore, we should stop using copper, silver and amalgam coins that have no such inherent purpose. We should use coins made of oil, or maybe a distillate such as plastic, and golden notes for the high-rollers. It would make shopping interesting again, even for men. When we&#039;re all out of oil though (a decade or three from now) I imagine the gold will be devalued quickly too. 

We&#039;ll then change to water, wind and wood perhaps. So you&#039;ll be ********* and spitting across the teller, ******* to tip a waiter and using a bat or stick on anyone asking for more. On the plus side, there&#039;ll be no need for wallets anymore.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think society could come along way if we&#8217;d do away with the symbolism of money. Everyone knows that crude oil is really what society is based on these days, and gold deposits provide a measure of control. Therefore, we should stop using copper, silver and amalgam coins that have no such inherent purpose. We should use coins made of oil, or maybe a distillate such as plastic, and golden notes for the high-rollers. It would make shopping interesting again, even for men. When we&#8217;re all out of oil though (a decade or three from now) I imagine the gold will be devalued quickly too. </p>
<p>We&#8217;ll then change to water, wind and wood perhaps. So you&#8217;ll be ********* and spitting across the teller, ******* to tip a waiter and using a bat or stick on anyone asking for more. On the plus side, there&#8217;ll be no need for wallets anymore.</p>
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